JULIAN RHODES' DREAM ORGANS
PROPOSALS WHICH REMAINED ON PAPER



St. George's Hall, Liverpool

Proposals by
Samuel Sebastian Wesley 1846
Aristide Cavaillé-Coll 1847
William Hill 1851



As is well known, the organ in St. George's Hall, Liverpool was built by Henry Willis in 1855. The genesis of the project was long and often troublesome.

Samuel Sebastian Wesley (1810-1876) was appointed consultant and, in 1846, presented the following stoplist to the organ committee:


GREAT
    16      Double Open Diapason metal
     8      Open Diapason Metal (CC not less than 8in.)
     8      Open Diapason Metal (CC not less than 7in.)
     8      Open Diapason Metal (CC not less than 6in.)
     8      Stopt Diapason
     8      Claribella large scale
     4      Principl wood
     4      Principal metal
     4      Principal 2 ranks, metal, the upper Stop to
                               draw the three Principals
    5 1/3   Quint   )
    3 1/5   Tenth   ) metal, the upper to draw the three
    2 2/3   Twelfth )
     2      Fifteenth metal
     2      Fifteenth metal, the upper to draw both
    II      Doublette metal
     V      Sesquialtera metal
     V      Mixture metal
     V      Fourniture metal
    VII     Grand Compound metal
    16      Double Trumpet metal
     8      Trumpet metal
     8      Horn metal
     4      Clarion metal
     2      Octave Clarion metal
 
CHOIR
    16      Double Stopt Diapason wood
     8      Open Diapason metal (CC not less than 8in.)
     8      Stopt Diapason wood or metal
     8      Dulciana metal
     8      Claribella large scale
     4      Principal metal
     4      Flute Open hard wood, powerfully voiced
     4      Flute Stopt
     2      Fifteenth metal
     2      Picollo (sic) hard wood
     2      Flageolet
    II      Doublette metal
     V      Mixture metal
            Echo Cornet a compound of Double Stopt Diap,
              Stopt unison Diap, Principal, Fifteenth and
              4-rank Sesquialtera, to be enclosed in a box.
              Fiddle-G upward - about
     8      Clarionet tenor C hard wood
     8      Cornopean
     8      Cremona 4ft. C
     8      Hautboy
    16      Bassoon 8ft. pipe on 4ft. C carried upward
              hard wood
     4      Clarion
     8      Ophicleide or Great Solo Reed
 
SWELL
    16      Double Diapason stopt wood
     8      Open Diapason metal
     8      Open Diapason metal
     8      Stopt Diapason wood or metal
     8      Claribella large scale
     4      Principal metal ) the upper to draw both
     4      Principal metal )
     4      Open Flute hard wood
    5 1/3   Quint   )
    3 1/5   Tenth   ) metal, the upper to draw the three
    2 2/3   Twelfth )
     2      Fifteenth metal
     2      Fifteenth metal
     2      Picollo (sic) hard wood or metal
    II      Doublette metal
     V      Mixture metal
     V      Sesquialtera metal
     8      Trumpet metal
     8      Hautboy metal
     8      Cornopean metal
     8      Cremona-Bassoon metal
     4      Clarion metal
     2      Octave Clarion metal
 
COMBINATION ORGAN
            To give a selection of between 15 & 20 stops 
            from the Choir and Swell
 
PEDAL
    32      Double Double Diapason open metal
              (CCCC 30in.)
    32      Double Double Diapason open wood
              (CCCC 3ft. x 2ft. 8in.)
    16      Double Diapason metal (CCC not less than 16in.)
    16      Double wood (CCC 22x24in.)
    16      Double Open wood smaller scale
     8      CC wood (CC 11in x 9in.)
     8      metal stop
     8      Stopt CC
     4      4ft. metal
     4      Stopt 4ft. metal
     4      Stopt 4ft. wood
     2      2ft. metal
   VI-X     Mixture
    16      Trumpet metal
    16      Horn metal
     8      Clarion metal
     4      Octave Clarion metal
 
Couplers: Pedals to Great, Pedals to Choir, Pedals to Swell, Swell to Great.
 
9 composition pedals to Great, Choir and Swell.
3 or 4 composition pedals to Pedal.
With 84 stops (and some 15 to 20 of these to be duplicated on the 'Combination Organ'), this was the largest scheme yet essayed for a British organ. Wesley was criticised at the time for certain old-fashioned features such as the old English 'long-compass' for the manuals (which Wesley considered necessary for choral accompaniment) and the lack of tonal innovations. It was also pointed out that his specified pipe-scales, intended to increase the volume of sound, were impractical.

The opportunity to construct the largest organ in the country was naturally of interest to several organ builders, and in 1847 Aristide Cavaillé-Coll submitted the following proposal. Quite unlike his other work of the time, it evidently includes several features of Wesley's design such as the long compasses on two manuals and the duplication of tonalities. Note that the term 'Flûte' is used to describe a Montre as well as registers of the flute family.


Liverpool (England)
                               Three manuals
Grand orgue  from low C to A     58 notes
Positif      from low G to A     63 notes
Expressif    from low G to A     63 notes
Pédales      from low C to A     31 notes
 

Grand Orgue
    Montre 16'
    Bourdon 8'          tin
    Flûte 8'            tin
    Flûte 8'            tin
    Flûte 8'            wood
    Flûte 8'            wood
    Flûte (stopped 8')
    Nazard
    Prestant
    Prestant
    Prestant
    Grosse Tierce
    Nazard
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Plein-jeu XV
    Grand Cornet VII
    Trompette 8' with 35 centimeters wind pressure
    Cor Anglais 8' with 35 centimeters wind pressure
    Clairon 4' with 35 centimeters wind pressure
 
Positif
    Bourdon 12'
    Montre 8'           metal
    Flûte 8'            wood
    Cromorne 8'         wood
    Salicional 8'
    Cromorne            tin
    Cor Anglais 8' with 30 centimeters wind pressure
    Basson 8' with 30 centimeters wind pressure
    Bourdon 4'
    Flûte (stopped) 2'  wood
    Prestant 4'
    Flûte 4'
    Doublette 2'
    Doublette 2'
    Doublette
    Clairon
    Cornet de Récit VIII
 
Expressif
    Flûte 24'
    Bourdon 12'
    Flûte 12'
    Flûte 12'
    Flûte 12'
    Bourdon 4'
    Prestant
    Prestant
    Gros Nazard
    Grosse Tierce
    Nazard
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Doublette
    Flûte 2'          wood
    Plein-jeu X
    Cor Anglais 8'
    Trompette 8'
    Hautbois
    Cromorne
    Clairon 4'
 
Pédales
    Flûte 32' tin 30 pouces square
    Flûte 32' wood 39 pouces
    Flûte 16' tin 16 pouces
    Flûte 16' wood 22 by 24 pouces
    Flûte tin narrow scale
    Flûte wood narow scale
    Flûte 8' tin
    Flûte 8' wood
    Bourdon 4' wood
    Bourdon 4' tin
    Flûte 4' tin
    Flûte 2'
    Cornet II or III
    Trompette 16' with 35 centimeters wind pressure
    Basson 16' with 35 centimeters wind pressure
    Clairon 8' with 35 centimeters wind pressure
 
    Price for this organ without case 175,000 francs
In 1851 William Hill submitted a proposal as follows. His design was more orderly and less insular than Wesley's, and included an independent Solo division in its 81 stops.


GREAT
    16      Double Open Diapason
    16      Double Stopped Diapason
     8      Open Diapason
     8      Open Diapason
     8      Gamba
     8      Stopt Diapason
    5 1/3   Quint
     4      Principal
     4      Principal
     4      Gemshorn
     4      Flute
    3 1/5   Decima
    2 2/3   Twelfth
     2      Fifteenth
     V      Sesquialtra
     V      Furniture
    III     Mixture
     V      Cornet (from fiddle g)
    16      Double Trumpet
     8      Posaune
     8      Trumpet
     4      Clarion
 
SWELL
    16      Double Open Diapason & Bourdon
     8      Open Diapason
     8      Dulciana
     8      Stopt Diapason
    5 1/3   Quint Stopt
     4      Principal
     4      Suabe Flute
     4      Suabe Flute     (two Suabe Flutes given in source)
    2 2/3   Twelfth
     2      Fifteenth
     2      Flageolet
    III     Sesquialtra
    III     Mixture
    16      Double Trumpet
     8      Trumpet
     8      Horn
     8      Hautboy
     4      Clarion
 
CHOIR
    16      Double Dulciana & Bourdon
     8      Salcional                 sic
     8      Gamba
     8      Quintatone
     8      Stopt Diapason (metal treble)
     4      Principal
     4      Gemshorn
     4      Stopt Flute (metal)
     4      Wald Flute
    2 2/3   Twelfth
     2      Fifteenth
    III     Sesquialtra
    16      Bassoon (lower notes wood)
     8      Hautboy (sharp)
     8      Cornopean Solo
 
SOLO
     8      Claribel
     8      Hohl Flute
     4      Dolcan Flute
     4      Spitz Flute (metal)
     4      Harmonic Flute
     2      Flute octave
    IV      Echo Dulciana Cornet
     8      Cremona
     8      Vox Humana
     8      Tuba Mirabilis
 
PEDAL
    32      Double Open metal (20 in.)
    32      Double Open wood (22x24in.)
    16      Open metal
    16      Open wood
    16      Violone small wood
   10 2/3   Quint Stopt
     8      Principal
     8      Principal wood
     6      Twelfth
     4      Fifteenth
     4      Fifteenth Stopt
    VI      Sesquialtra
    32      Trombone
    16      Trombone
     8      Trumpet
     4      Trumpet
 
Couplers:  Solo to Pedal
           Swell to Pedal
           Great to Pedal  Solo to Great  Swell to Great  Choir to Great
           Choir to Pedal
 
Composition pedals:  3 to Great, 3 to Swell, 3 to Pedal
 
2 tremulants
 
Great organ to be fitted with the 'Pneumatic apparatus'
 
Composition pedals to use the 'Pneumatic principle'
 
Compass: 56/29


SOURCES

For S.S. Wesley's stoplist, and accounts of the genesis of the whole project:
"'An Organ Should be an Organ'; Samuel Sebastian Wesley and the organ in St. George's Hall, Liverpool", David Knight, BIOS Journal 22, 1998.
and
"The Making of the Victorian Organ", Nicholas Thistlethwaite, Cambridge University Press 1990.

For the Cavaillé-Coll stoplist:
'Cavaillé-Coll and the French Romantic Tradition', Fenner Douglas, Yale University Press 1999.

For the Hill stoplist: Knight, vide supra.



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